I will be taking possession of a used glider and trailer
this weekend and have a question to anyone that has
done this in California. The trailer that I am receiving
has a plate and registration issued in Nevada. I will
be registering it in California. Will I need to take
the trailer to AAA or the DMV to have them verify the
numbers?
I know the state is going to want some money from me
and they will probably ask the value of the trailer.
Any thoughts on a dollar amount I should give? It is
a mid 90's Cobra.
Thanks
Brian

we just went through this.. a trailer from CA to NV..
get a separate bill of sale for the trailer.. and title if it exists..
I expect that you will have to take it to CA DMV or other verifying agency
to verify the trailer numbers and that is road worthy according to CA
rules.. proper lights , side marker lights etc

BT

"Brian Iten" > wrote in message
...
> I will be taking possession of a used glider and trailer
> this weekend and have a question to anyone that has
> done this in California. The trailer that I am receiving
> has a plate and registration issued in Nevada. I will
> be registering it in California. Will I need to take
> the trailer to AAA or the DMV to have them verify the
> numbers?
> I know the state is going to want some money from me
> and they will probably ask the value of the trailer.
> Any thoughts on a dollar amount I should give? It is
> a mid 90's Cobra.
> Thanks
> Brian
>
>

What do I need to put down for a purchase price? I
always thought that a trailer was just part of the
deal. Or in other words, the hanger is coming with
the aircraft or the other way around. I was afraid
to hear that I would need to take it to the DMV or
AAA for verification.......

Brian... if you put down the full purchase price of the glider and trailer
on the trailer invoice.. you will be paying full taxes for the trailer on
the total sale amount. Granted the State Of Taxifornia will tax you also on
the glider. But keep in mind that some recurring registration fees are based
on "value".

Get two sales slips, one for the trailer and one for the glider, any
reasonable amount for the trailer will work.. $500.. $1000 or so.

Also, some people keep their trailer insurance separate from the glider
insurance, and some don't. If you have an accident with the glider and the
insurance company totals the glider, they also take the trailer if it is
listed in the glider policy. Some people just insure the glider, and list
the trailer under their homeowners or auto insurance policy. Total the
glider and at least you have an empty trailer to put something else into or
sell to recoup some dollars.

JMHO
BT


"Brian Iten" > wrote in message
...
> What do I need to put down for a purchase price? I
> always thought that a trailer was just part of the
> deal. Or in other words, the hanger is coming with
> the aircraft or the other way around. I was afraid
> to hear that I would need to take it to the DMV or
> AAA for verification.......
>
>
>
>
>

BTIZ wrote:

> Brian... if you put down the full purchase price of the glider and trailer
> on the trailer invoice.. you will be paying full taxes for the trailer on
> the total sale amount. Granted the State Of Taxifornia will tax you also on
> the glider. But keep in mind that some recurring registration fees are based
> on "value".

In Calif, your fees are the initial registration for the trailer (which
includes sales tax), and annual property taxes on the glider. No sales
tax on used gliders in Cal, and no recurring trailer registration except
$10 every few years.

>
> Get two sales slips, one for the trailer and one for the glider, any
> reasonable amount for the trailer will work.. $500.. $1000 or so.

The less you allocate to the trailer, the more you will allocate to the
glider. So you save on up-front sales tax on the trailer, but will pay
more property tax each year. And to the extent you give an inaccurate
value (e.g., $500 for a Cobra in great condition) you may be committing
perjury.

I would suppose that Brian's Cobra trailer (mid 1990's) is worth $8,000
or so. I recently gave the DMV a $6,000 value for a 1987 Cobra trailer.


>
> Also, some people keep their trailer insurance separate from the glider
> insurance, and some don't. If you have an accident with the glider and the
> insurance company totals the glider, they also take the trailer if it is
> listed in the glider policy. Some people just insure the glider, and list
> the trailer under their homeowners or auto insurance policy. Total the
> glider and at least you have an empty trailer to put something else into or
> sell to recoup some dollars.

Are you sure they would take the trailer? I pay $x for $y of glider
coverage, and $a for $b of trailer coverage. My understanding is that
these are two separate coverages. Similar to the idea that if I wreck
my car, they won't also take my wife's car which is on the same policy.

Also, I don't know why the insurance company would want to take the
trailer, since they would have to pay out its insured value. Unless
the trailer is underinsured, the insurance company gains nothing.

thanx Greg...

"Greg Arnold" > wrote in message
news:WdpEc.1707$876.98@fed1read07...
> BTIZ wrote:
> > Also, some people keep their trailer insurance separate from the glider
> > insurance, and some don't. If you have an accident with the glider and
the
> > insurance company totals the glider, they also take the trailer if it is
> > listed in the glider policy. Some people just insure the glider, and
list
> > the trailer under their homeowners or auto insurance policy. Total the
> > glider and at least you have an empty trailer to put something else into
or
> > sell to recoup some dollars.
>
> Are you sure they would take the trailer? I pay $x for $y of glider
> coverage, and $a for $b of trailer coverage. My understanding is that
> these are two separate coverages. Similar to the idea that if I wreck
> my car, they won't also take my wife's car which is on the same policy.
>
> Also, I don't know why the insurance company would want to take the
> trailer, since they would have to pay out its insured value. Unless
> the trailer is underinsured, the insurance company gains nothing.
>

All I can say is, it has happened unto others...
BT

Brian,
Just went through this last year. The DMV part was no big deal. Be
sure Heinz gives you the trailer documentation. You will need
something that says where it was manufactured. (I think the DMV calls
it a Certificate of Manufacture?). Get an appointment for the
paperwork side and then drive it through for the inspection if they
ask for one, they may not with your Nev. plates. Be sure you know
where the ID plate is on the trailer.

I had problems with AAA doing this. They said they wouldn't process
paperwork or inspect something man. out of the country. But that may
have been a problem with one office manager. Your NV plates SHOULD
even make this easier.

BTW: Congrats on your new ship. When last I saw it at Parowan it was
pristine. Heinz really knows how to take care of things.

Have fun.



Brian Iten > wrote in message >...
> What do I need to put down for a purchase price? I
> always thought that a trailer was just part of the
> deal. Or in other words, the hanger is coming with
> the aircraft or the other way around. I was afraid
> to hear that I would need to take it to the DMV or
> AAA for verification.......

My biggest problem was convincing the DMV that Lithuania was a
country, not a town in Ohio. Had to go up through two levels of
supervision to straighten that one out. After that, it was a
cakewalk. The inspector walked out to the curb, looked left and right
(total time 15 sec.), and walked back in.

It's registered as a "Sport" carrier, the clerk's best stab at
SPORTINE AVIACIJA. I chose not to wait through the line again for a
correction.

BTW: All the lettering on the ID plate except for the SN which was
stamped into the metal, came off in the first washing. Might not be
so easy for the next owner.

Ray Warshaw
1LK

JohnD wrote:

> Brian,
> Just went through this last year. The DMV part was no big deal. Be
> sure Heinz gives you the trailer documentation. You will need
> something that says where it was manufactured. (I think the DMV calls
> it a Certificate of Manufacture?).

You may need that for a new trailer just imported, but if the trailer is
already registered in another state, all you need is the registration
and a bill of sale.

In article >,
(Raphael Warshaw) wrote:

> My biggest problem was convincing the DMV that Lithuania was a
> country, not a town in Ohio. Had to go up through two levels of
> supervision to straighten that one out. After that, it was a
> cakewalk. The inspector walked out to the curb, looked left and right
> (total time 15 sec.), and walked back in.
>
> It's registered as a "Sport" carrier, the clerk's best stab at
> SPORTINE AVIACIJA. I chose not to wait through the line again for a
> correction.
>
> BTW: All the lettering on the ID plate except for the SN which was
> stamped into the metal, came off in the first washing. Might not be
> so easy for the next owner.
>
> Ray Warshaw
> 1LK

So how does California's PTI (Permanent Trailer Identification) play
into all of this? My LAK trailer at MEV is registered in Nevada, and
has an annual registration fee. My Libelle trailer in San Jose got a
PTI sticker in the mail a couple of years ago, but no fees since then.

I'd sure like to convert the LAK trailer to the no fee option, but I'd
rather not drag it all the way from MEV to SJ and back, if I don't have
to...

Ken

I will let you know what happens as I am registering
(or attempting to) the trailer this saturday morning
and it has Nevada plates on it. I will see if AAA wants
to have the trailer present even if plates from a different
state are already on it.
Brian

>So how does California's PTI (Permanent Trailer Identification)
>play
>into all of this? My LAK trailer at MEV is registered
>in Nevada, and
>has an annual registration fee. My Libelle trailer
>in San Jose got a
>PTI sticker in the mail a couple of years ago, but
>no fees since then.
>
>I'd sure like to convert the LAK trailer to the no
>fee option, but I'd
>rather not drag it all the way from MEV to SJ and back,
>if I don't have
>to...
>
>Ken
>

Brian Iten wrote:

> I will let you know what happens as I am registering
> (or attempting to) the trailer this saturday morning
> and it has Nevada plates on it. I will see if AAA wants
> to have the trailer present even if plates from a different
> state are already on it.
> Brian

I have registered four glider trailers in Cal (all with out-of-state
plates), and the DMV always wanted to confirm the VIN on the trailer.
If there is no VIN on the trailer, or the VIN doesn't match the
out-of-state registration, they don't seem to care, but they still want
to see the trailer.